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1  Politics & World Affairs / Politics & World Affairs / Re: Over/Under on Impeachment on: Yesterday at 06:49:32 PM
Bombs are not bought for other purposes; however Congress can say 'spend no money doing X Y or Z.'

I think that interpretation turns the express intent of the law on its head. It is the perogative of the Congress to declare what wars we will have, not to declare what wars we won't have and then leave the president to whip up any not thusly forbidden.
2  Politics & World Affairs / Politics & World Affairs / Re: Over/Under on Impeachment on: Yesterday at 10:56:31 AM
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Not true at all; Congress has the power of the purse...which can lead to impeachment and removal from office for doing 'unfunded' stuff

I meant McCain can't order bombers into Syria, no matter how badly he wants it.

I'm trying to remember the last time Congress told the president he couldn't bomb somewhere because they bought those bombs for some other purpose.

Each election the choice seems to always be Kang or Kodos. American people voted for Bush when he said no more nation building. Then they voted for Obama and even the Nobel fell hook, line, and sinker for that stinker. Then we vote in the guy who says no more stupid wars, why are we borrowing with no end in site to protect first world nations, and even said the president would be making a mistake to bomb Syria without congressional approval.

American voter keeps thinking they have options, but the only option is always more of the same.

I think Butler was right, only real way to stop this shit is to conscript capital. The rich would put an end to this if it cost them money instead of made them money.
3  Politics & World Affairs / Politics & World Affairs / Re: Over/Under on Impeachment on: April 23, 2017, 06:57:35 PM
Imperial Presidency only works when the Emperor pays the wages of the army directly out of his own pocket (a la Roman Empire).  Otherwise they aren't 'his' armed forces. 

I'm trying to fathom a scenario where the President tells the Chairman of the JCS to bomb country X and is told, "No, you don't pay my salary."

Members of Congress can't do that.  No one else can do that.  Makes them effectively 'his' in my book.

When Clinton openly and wantonly violated the stipulations of the War Powers resolution (namely, not ending combat when he failed to get Congressional authorization within 30 days of initiating hostilities (and then he even carried on beyond the additional 30 days the President is given to extricate forces - in this case, quit launching bombers)) it left me wondering if a President would ever bother again in my lifetime.  Bush II did, but our Nobel Prize winner decided the 2001 AUMF was actually open season on nation on earth he wanted to bomb, and he acted accordingly.

How do we rein this in?
4  Politics & World Affairs / Politics & World Affairs / Re: UK Politics thread on: April 23, 2017, 04:16:53 PM
https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/4chan-user-leaked-british-election-news/
5  Politics & World Affairs / Politics & World Affairs / Re: Trump bashing thread on: April 21, 2017, 05:08:16 PM
6  Son of The General Forum / General Jr. / Re: Ultimate Road Trip - OTR on: April 20, 2017, 04:34:31 PM
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2d4_1492668599

Seems like you could come up with a combination of mirrors to eliminate a blind spot in that particular area...
7  Politics & World Affairs / Politics & World Affairs / Re: Over/Under on Impeachment on: April 12, 2017, 06:23:26 PM
I think both sides mis-used the war powers resolution. You are mono-maniacally focused on Democrats.

I have a harder time coming up with GOP president violations. 
I know Reagan got authorization for his ill fated Lebanon nation building.
Bush I was told by Democratic Speaker Foley that he didn't need to worry about it when he planned to dump 28k men into Somalia, but he also only had 47 days left when he started, so it was hard for the clock to run out on him.  Of course he got authorization for the first war with Iraq.
Clinton openly defied its stipulations after tried, and failed, to pass a support resolution for his bombing campaign with Serbia.  He should have been impeached for that reason.
Bush got authorization for his regime change and nation building, but you're right they used the AUMF regarding the 9/11 attacks to hit a host of countries.
Obama went for regime change Libya, but without the congressional authorization, and I think that's bad not because he's a democrat, but because it violates the separation of powers and sends us farther down the road of the Imperial Presidency.
8  Politics & World Affairs / Politics & World Affairs / Re: News from the front, Iraq, the Middle East, and elsewhere. on: April 12, 2017, 04:34:09 PM
26 000 seems a lot to me, 70 or so a day?  whats the source?

Council on Foreign Relations.



Got a weight on that 26,000 number? They can't all be 1,000 pounders. Even if, we got a long, long, long way to go.

"This estimate is undoubtedly low, considering reliable data is only available for airstrikes in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, and Libya, and a single "strike," according to the Pentagon's definition, can involve multiple bombs or munitions. In 2016, the United States dropped 3,027 more bombs—and in one more country, Libya—than in 2015."

"The U.S. is involved in more wars in more countries [Jan 2017] than it was when Obama became president. By any reasonable definition, that can't be what retrenchment looks like."
9  Politics & World Affairs / Politics & World Affairs / Re: Over/Under on Impeachment on: April 12, 2017, 09:53:44 AM
I think both sides mis-used the war powers resolution. You are mono-maniacally focused on Democrats.
10  Politics & World Affairs / Politics & World Affairs / Re: News from the front, Iraq, the Middle East, and elsewhere. on: April 11, 2017, 11:10:40 AM
feels so normal to just be bombing somewhere again rather than tripping up on the blatherings of the WH.

Completely fucked, ain't it?

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if trump learns that the news cycle is so easily diverted by just bombing something I suspect a fair amount more of this.

Well, we dropped over 26,000 bombs last year...
Wonder what the count from 1991 to present day is, just to place alongside WW2 and Vietnam for comparative purposes. 
11  Politics & World Affairs / Politics & World Affairs / Re: News from the front, Iraq, the Middle East, and elsewhere. on: April 09, 2017, 10:02:36 PM
Since the Israeli ambassador was summoned and told "no more" back on March 21st by Russia, have they kept launching attacks?

You are definitely more tuned into what is happening on the ground over there than I am.
12  Politics & World Affairs / Politics & World Affairs / Re: News from the front, Iraq, the Middle East, and elsewhere. on: April 09, 2017, 06:59:44 PM
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Why do I get the feeling we've just been played?

Can you clarify?
13  Politics & World Affairs / Politics & World Affairs / Re: Over/Under on Impeachment on: April 09, 2017, 02:47:15 PM
So the Democrats refusing to abide by the war powers resolution is partisan?  Why?
14  Politics & World Affairs / Politics & World Affairs / Re: News from the front, Iraq, the Middle East, and elsewhere. on: April 09, 2017, 01:10:01 PM
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Russia and Iran have warned the US they will “respond with force” if their own “red lines” are crossed in Syria.

Following Friday’s cruise missile strike on a Syrian airbase, in retaliation for the chemical attack on Khan Sheikhoun earlier in the week, the alliance supporting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad made a joint statement threatening action in response to “any breach of red lines from whoever it is”.

“What America waged in an aggression on Syria is a crossing of red lines. From now on we will respond with force to any aggressor or any breach of red lines from whoever it is and America knows our ability to respond well,” the group’s joint command centre said.

Raise your hand if you want WW3...
15  Politics & World Affairs / Politics & World Affairs / Re: Over/Under on Impeachment on: April 08, 2017, 06:12:29 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution

Forgot Hillary and basically every dem presidential aspirant voted in favor?

I guess it has been awhile...
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