I don't know art...

[Andy Farley]

..but I know what I like.

[Elmar Bijlsma]

That's the kind of conceptual art I like. (Is it even conceptual art?)
Not like that Tracey Emin crap or the stuff Damien Hirst made when he found out he was a celebrated artist and started jerking off to his own ideas.
Then again, I'd probably would hate this artwork too, if the artist was pretentious enough to give some artsy explanation.

Banner says she is not trying to make some easily digestible point, nor is it an anti-war work. 'This work is more about how people react to it, rather than a big black and white statement,' she said

See, that's what I like. No bullshit. To me it's just like that light installation they had in Tate Modern years ago. Simple, unpretentious and there for the public to enjoy in their own way.

[Sasquatch]

I wonder how she was able to persuade the respective services to surrender a few million in planes to her for this purpose. It doesn't sound like they could be returned to flying service without considerable effort, although they would by now have been declared surplus anyway. I think ODS was the Jaguar's last hurrah, wasn't it?

Michael

[Sgt Kelly]

A while back I saw one of those reality shows where a girl won an art contest by entering part of a treetrunk that got stuck on a fence when the tree fell over in a storm.

So her entire contribution to this piece of art was that she happened to walk by it whilst being in the contest. I'm sure hundreds of people must have walked by there and realized that the image of the buckled fence with the treetrunk impaled on it was arresting and powerful.

This to me is in the same class.

Loads of people are atuned to the esthetics of sleek aeroplanes, probably not least the people who actually designed them. To me, putting the planes in odd positions is exactly the kind of artsy pretentiousness that Elmar is talking about. 'Let me take this thing of great inherent beauty and elegance, conceived of and built at the expense of huge amounts of skill and effort by others. I shall put it upside down, paint some feathers on it and call that an artful addition.'

Meh.

[Elmar Bijlsma]

But I don't mind it nearly so much as being told someones dirty bed is art.
Ofcourse, this is proably not very good art, but I like it.

btw the Jaguar was still flying bombing mission in 2007, so wiki tells me. Against the fuzzy-wuzzies anything you an strap a bomb to will do.

[Andy Farley]

I like it because it's presenting military hardware in an art setting, so making people who've probably never appreciated them realise that they are art.

Duchamps all the way.

[Andy Farley]

Guy on another forum says this:

I was the maintainer waiting to marshal this aircraft in when I saw it crash and skid along the runway in 2000.


The crash was mental. The jet went skidding off the runway at 150 miles an hour towards the control tower. You could hear the panic of the controller as he broadcast the emergency warning as the jet sped towards him. It hit a fire locker which caused the fuel tanks on the wing to ignite and then hit a high concrete kerb and stopped at which point the pilot ejected and broke both his ankles and his back when he landed.

So it was obviously too expensive to fix. Still wonder how she got hold of it.

(just realised this is the game forum not General - d'oh)

[xor]

The aesthetic gaze decontextualizes and generates art. Kinda standard, no?

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Also, somewhat orthogonally, this may be food for thought for some, and a trigger for a nice rant for others... :)
(Kept the pic a bit oversized to preserve readability. I hope that's okay.)



From Pierre Bourdieu: La Distinction, 1979, based on data from the 1960s.

[Egbert]

I completely disagree with nearly everything there.