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« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2017, 07:01:07 PM »

i would team up with stalin to beat hitler... not sure how much rope i'll give putin to bomb raqqa

As far as bad guys go, Nazis and ISIS really seem neck and neck regarding the degree of brutality they're willing to impart on their subjects.
If ISIS had 1940s German capital behind their efforts this wouldn't be a question, but they still have that 'JV' look to some folks.  Because their capabilities are indeed relatively limited makes them less of a threat, but not really any less evil.

I'm willing to turn a blind eye to it if it stays there, and a blind eye toward Putin helping Assad put a coffin lid on it too.

Well when do we reach the iron curtain moment? because if the WOT goes on forever it would follow its in their interest to keep presenting himself as the bulwark against the infidels.

and manipulating ethnics groups with-in historically anachronistic boundaries is falling off a log for this lot and russias influence in the ME is becoming wider and more manipulative

and this is important..Russia's goals in region do not require stability ie they can achieve wider geopolitical effects by keeping the region unstable which is quite a different prospect from US efforts.

a large group of US opinion have given them a pass for standing up as our defenders against evil...even when faced with the possibility they are actively destabilising your own country (perception not with standing on that i get it people can hink that is bs)

whats to stop them splitting opposition against them by keeping the war in the ME grinding on forever.... this is the whole thing people don't see about how they operate.

both acting in Syria to fight terrorism and acting to keep the war going defends other russian activities and weakens/limits the US options to manoeuvre.

the Russians fight terrorism but it never ends because it inoculates them..i'm seeing somesort of pattern here

what is the purpose of the war for Russian interests?


 
... but we derail the thread

People seem to be forgetting that Russia is no longer a communist nation bent on world revolution.

Certainly their interests and ours do not align 100%, but I see them as no threat to anything we consider important.  Sure, they want NATO to be weaker, but I see no reason for every country bordering Russia to be a NATO member - i could give a FF about Georgia and the other Eastern neighbors, and I'd be happy for Poland et al. to be in a NATO-lite.  You have to look at the situation from the Russkies' POV -- how would we like it if China entered into a mutual defense treaty with Canada and Mexico?

I would analogize 2017 Russia to Pinochet's Chile.  A not-so-nice guy at the helm, but at least he can be helpful in some things.
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« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2017, 09:23:19 AM »

putinism and eurasianism is basically the modern reconstruction of the sphere of influence of the warsaw pact on post-modern steroids

the term fimnland-sation is tame in their ambitions but the sort of aims they have. that involves undermining democratic institutions to the extent they are kleptocratic organs open to direct influence.
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« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2017, 01:09:41 PM »

You know who's been really quiet for weeks now? Michael Flynn. Watch that space.
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« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2017, 01:12:28 PM »

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and this is important..Russia's goals in region do not require stability ie they can achieve wider geopolitical effects by keeping the region unstable which is quite a different prospect from US efforts.

I couldn't look at what has happened in the ME over the last 25 years and surmise that 'stability' was a US goal.
How do you?
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« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2017, 01:13:58 PM »

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that involves undermining democratic institutions to the extent they are kleptocratic organs open to direct influence.

When did we pivot to Goldman Sachs?
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« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2017, 06:39:54 PM »

You know who's been really quiet for weeks now? Michael Flynn. Watch that space.

Where's my door prize?
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« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2017, 05:32:13 AM »

Has he said anything?   Other than, via Covington and Burling, "Immunity please." Which is pretty much the tasty char-grilled filling of a nothingburger, as what fool would speak to Congress or the Feds w/o immunity these days.
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« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2017, 06:16:43 AM »

His lawyer tried to get immunity privately with the committees and the FBI. Both said no. That's the important data point.
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« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2017, 08:27:38 AM »

His lawyer tried to get immunity privately with the committees and the FBI. Both said no. That's the important data point.

The data point is good lawyer, certainly not what you're implying.

But keep trying.

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« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2017, 08:38:58 AM »

I know actual expertise isn't held for much on the interwebs but I'll take the opinion of the prosecutors I know over yours.
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« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2017, 09:35:50 AM »

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that involves undermining democratic institutions to the extent they are kleptocratic organs open to direct influence.

When did we pivot to Goldman Sachs?

well i suppose the answer is make it worse.
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« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2017, 10:18:41 AM »

I know actual expertise isn't held for much on the interwebs but I'll take the opinion of the prosecutors I know over yours.

Right... that's why you're posting here.....
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« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2017, 11:29:37 AM »

What....you think people who post here can't know prosecutors? You realize I've lived in DC for decades, right?
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« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2017, 12:29:02 PM »

What....you think people who post here can't know prosecutors? You realize I've lived in DC for decades, right?

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« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2017, 01:28:37 PM »

You should hesitate to judge other people's orbit by the apogee of your own.
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